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MP Bob Seelys alleged that “ depending on the color of the dress they wore that day, ” comment on trans people leads to official complaint

 


An Isle of Wight councilor filed a complaint with the Association of Local Councils IW (IWALC) following what he described as “discriminatory” comments made by the member about the trans community.

Island parish and city council members participated in a Zoom call last week with Bob Seely MP. Chillerton and Gatcombe Parish Council Chair Cllr Nigel Phillips asked how he would vote on the government’s plans to introduce legislation that will restrict the rights of trans women to use women’s facilities, such as public restrooms and the changing rooms (as part of the reform of the law on gender recognition).

Seely: “Depending on the color of the dress they wear that day”
The MP told those who participated in Zoom that he should represent the majority of the island and only 1 to 2% of the island population identified as trans.

He used the expression that it depended on the color of the dress they were wearing that day to discuss the use of female restrooms by trans women. See Bob Seely’s response below.

East Cowes Councilor Cllr Karl Love disputed the comments and said he was immediately accused by Mr. Seely of “high standing” – the MP then asked the President to move the meeting forward.

Love: “A clear act and a violation of the equality law”
In his complaint (which TheWight News saw a copy of) Cllr Love said that the “discriminatory comments made by our Member of Parliament Bob Seely” were “undoubtedly an expression of discrimination and prejudice”.

He added,

“It’s one thing to have a point of view, but something quite different to casually mock at a formal meeting and describe parts of our island population – trans people – as” in depending on the color of the dress they’re wearing that day. ”

“It is a clear act and a violation of the equality law and it is discrimination.”

He went on to say that this demonstrated a “complete lack of understanding of what it was like to be trans” and was an example of the discrimination that many trans people face today.

Comments struck out as “light”
Following the meeting, Cllr Love said that she had received a call from Mr. Seely who apologized for what he called “playful comments”. Cllr Love says that the member asked him not to press charges against him.

Cllr Love said:

“The comments were humiliating and a stereotypical representation, which reinforces the negative and in my opinion, was used to justify his own personal and political opinions.

“They were actually harmful stereotypical depictions of the negative and had no place in an IWALC board meeting.”

Cllr Love said that the member should publish a full retraction and a public apology for his comments.

Phillips: MP now seems to understand problems better
TheWight News spoke with Cllr Nigel Phillips (who asked the original question) who explained that after the Zoom call, he put Bob Seely in contact with the organizers of the trans event that happened on the island on Saturday.

Cllr Phillips said that the MP had met them before the event and that they had spoken to him about the problems faced by trans people in general and also in the coming vote in Parliament.

Cllr Phillips said that Bob Seely now seems to understand the problems better.

TheWight News understands that Mr. Seely attended the peaceful demonstration on Saturday of those who support the trans community.

Questions to the MP
TheWight News ask the member a number of questions this afternoon.

  1. In response to a question (last week during the IWALC zoom) by Cllr Nigel Phillips, president of the parish council of Chillerton & Gatcombe, on the upcoming vote on public toilets by trans people, did you use the expression, according to the color of the dress they wear that day?
  2. If not, what expression did you use?
  3. Is it fair that you accused Karl Love of growing up wondering about your comments?
  4. After the meeting, did you tell Karl Love that with the comments above, you were trying to be light?
  5. What steps have you taken before that to educate yourself about gender equality?

We have just (7:48 p.m.) received this response from Mr. Seely,

As I said clearly, the comment and tone of what Cllr Love said is inaccurate. He claims an offense where no one was wanted or taken away by someone other than him.

I am proud of my record regarding the LGBT + agenda. One of the first things I did as an MP was to support the Isle of Wight Pride.

I had a good meeting last week with a transgender activist. I also attended the trans protests on Saturday in Ryde and chatted with several trans people.

“I look forward to continuing to engage intelligently, meaningfully and sensitively with all communities on the Isle of Wight.

Since he claims the comment was inaccurate, we asked Bob what he said and to get the questions answered.

Edit article
7:58 p.m., July 14, 2020 – Commentary by Bob Seely added

Image: Courtesy of Allan Marsh



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