Why the MAGA sect votes for Trump and against its own interests

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Professor Stephen J. Ducat, author of Substack Minding Politics, joins The New Abnormal podcast to discuss the importance of group identification in the MAGA belief system, which he explores in his new book Hatreds We Love: The Psychology of Political Tribalism in Post-Truth America.

Ducat tells The New Abnormals co-host Andy Levy that he was compelled to write the book to better understand why people voted against their own interests and elected Donald Trump in 2016.

“As a professor, a writer, a thinker, a psychoanalyst, I was haunted by the fact that people could act against their own material interests, and then I understood when I looked at Donald Trump and saw the delirious adoration with which he was greeted. I realized that there was this drive that is, in some way, so powerful that people would kill and die for it, which is to preserve our status in the group,” he said.

Epistemology is about truth, but the post-truth moment that we are part of and that is characteristic of the MAGA cult, and I would add of Putin’s Russia, is that we can’t really know what is true. We can’t trust experts. We can’t tell fact from fiction. And ultimately, the only thing we can hold on to is what the leader says. The leader tells us what is really true and he or she defines reality.

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“I looked at Trump and I saw a charmless moron who didn’t understand the world and was kind of a traitorous con man. Yet that’s not how half the country saw him,” Ducat said. “Understanding the tribe and understanding right-wing tribes means understanding an autocratic leader, because right-wing tribalism is so tied to the role of an authoritarian or autocratic leader. So the very things that you and I might find repulsive, his corruption, for example, are part of what his supporters love about him, because his hallmark is impunity. You know, the fact that he’s openly corrupt, that he’s a liar, a racist, a sadist, and that he’s never been held accountable or paid a meaningful price until relatively recently, and it’s still to be seen whether that’s actually going to happen. Those qualities of impunity, his supporters find powerfully seductive and admirable.”

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